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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 08:28pm PT
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tripl, what is your point?
so a seismologist screwed up, are you saying that ALL science should
be discredited because of this one bad prediction?
Or does this have something to do with you denying human evolution?
as in "science' is WRONG once, so the entire science of Darwin is wrong?
SURELY, you believe that humans evolved through Darwinian natural selection,
and NOT that somehow they suddenly appeared on the scene two thousand
years ago when the bible was written.
I gotta believe only Gobee swallowed that fairy tale.
RIGHT? Or WHAT exactly DO you believe?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes!
I was going by what the scientist said during the 70's, 80's, 90's...I am guilty of putting faith in what I read back then.
I recently checked the Inter'net sites and the say what I said up-thread about not taking into acount the increase in seismographs.
Alot of people went bankrupt and bailed etc. from Mammoth. Plus about everyother night for 3-4 years the town shook.
Besides, it ain't over yet...ain't to late to increase your earthquake insurance. Or stock up on water, can goods etc.
EDIT: Especialy in Cali!
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Norton!
That whole $#@#&^@^^^^ thing was about the reliability/whatever regarding earthquakes...the discussion that wes and I have been having over the last couple weeks or so. I did make a mistake about the increase, and a explained it more or less. Wes being very dogmatic about the irrefutability(Sp) of seismologist/earthquake behavior got to me and...I just made a point.
God claims He made the earth/universe in six day's! This is at least the third time I have said that I believe He could have made it in six seconds if He had chosen to. God only knows how long He planned/thought about it.
God created the universe and wrapped Himself around it. Or perhaps He created it within Himself. I don't know.
He is Spirit. Untel you meet and get to know Spirit, it is impossible to cophrehend.
There is another dimension.
God created the earth outside of time. Time is a consequence of the fall, or perhaps it started at the moment of creation. It is/was not a restriction to God. You are looking at it from a time and space perspective.
But the simple answer is yes He created it in six day's.
But keep in mind that "A day is like a thousand years, and a year is like a thousand days" to God.
From the beginning of time until now is like a drop of water to the pacific ocean to God. Less.
It can be either one to Him. A drop of water(time), or the Pacific Ocean(time). They are identical to Him. The same. They don't restrict Him like they do us.
If that makes sense!?
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Actually, no, it doesn't.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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777 wrote
People that have never even opened the bible, my nephew for instance, rattle off these lies like "there are 1,000 of bibles. and there all different. THATS THE MYTH!!
Sorry buddy, according to Bible professor Bart Ehrman, there are over 5000 manuscripts known of the bible and absolutely NONE of them is identical to another one of them. They all contain minor differences.
God is real and present now. We distort God because of our human blindness...it's a dense world we live in.
Don't make a book into God. It's literary idolatry. As Norton has amply demonstrated, it reflects another time that we have evolved out of. (just as Christians recognize their faith as an evolution of Judaism)
Peace
Karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 09:18pm PT
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Trip, nothing you just said about god makes sense to me.
Why did it take him 6000 YEARS to make this earth, if he made it in six
days and you say a day is a thousand years?
What took god so long? Was he multi tasking elsewhere and did not have the time?
Trip, what DOES make sense to me is that I now understand that YOU really
DO honestly believe and totally accept as true the story of creation in Genesis.
SO does Gobee.
WOW!
I guess I have trouble believing that people like you and Gobee actually exist,
that you are real, educated, people living here in the United States in 2009!
But, I get it now, I just need more time to deal with it.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes, did you read what I said up thread? There is nowhere in the bible where He says there is going to be an INCREASE in earthquakes. Read it again His quote, "And there will be earth quakes in various places."
Yes I am guilty of presuming that there would be an increase in earthquakes. And they will be of some concern evidently. But if you read the rest of it and I am not going to type it all again. There will also be "wars and rumors of wars" etc....go back and read it and the "beginning of sorrows" I guess Christians are guilty of interpreting that as being an increase in earthquakes, many other Christians also pointed out that it is not so.
Whatever, all we are saying is that we are experiencing the "beginning of sorrows".
One thing that is predicted is the war between Iran(Persia)with Russia, and Libya and Lebanon and Syria against Israel. With no one coming to Israel's aid. NOBODY BUT GOD! What happens to USA at that time in regards to our support...?
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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"Did you MISS those sections?"
No mercy here, just the letter of the law!
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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So that is the next big event on the biblical clock...the war between Iran et al. and Israel! Prophesied thousands of years ago. To happen after Israel regains its Promised land after 1800+ years of and being spread across the earth. It is not the Armageddon War, it comes &years before it(Armageddon).
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes_ "twenty years of data and poor public policy."
What are you talking about?
Were you there? Did you read the scientific statements and agreement in the scientific comunity in regards to the the whole plateau, the Owens Valley. These were the top seismologist in the world, and MIT et al. over a period of 5-7 years. FAILED.
Public policy?
I don't think you have a clue what I am referring to.
And then throwing a tantrum? Oh lets see, I guess there is a double standard. You and all your pals can curse and etc etc and go to the PROCTOLOGIST and find out wes and Wanda and there god isn't in their azzhole so their god what ever you call him, maybe darwin, doesn't exist because he the proctoligist didn't find him their. Oh yea it was mine and "GOOBERS" God Jesus that wasn't there. And on and on and on.
And suddenly wes is... Oh I just used FUKNARD nothing else.
I'll say it again.
GET OUT OF MY LIFE!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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That Hal Lindsey schtick is pretty dated, too. Used to be all about the Cold War, now it's revised in a desperate effort to continue to pretend to be relevant.
Ain't happenin'.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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BABBA!
Minor issues!
I am saying that the Bible, any bible you pick up(I have at least ten different translations)are going to relate the story of Gods love for mankind from Genesis to Revelation as He meant it for us to have.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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cintune!
It ain't over dude!
Look at the world. It is a pathetic mess.
Look at America.
God help us.
Dude are you blind?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes!
What's the deal?
Suddenly theres no more "I don't give a fuk about yur fairy tail book!" etc, etc.
I kinda don't know what to say...
LATER!
~777~
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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What the Bible says about earthquakes...
Signs of the Close of the Age
Matthew 24:3-8, As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning off the birth pains.
Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution
Luke 21:10-11, Then he said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.
It's like the movie Final Destination, just trying to hip my climbing brothers!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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“If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you’ve been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.” - Frank Zappa
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