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Norton
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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Sorry if I missed your, and Gobee's previous answers to my question!
Tripl7, this time you gave a somewhat vague "yes' answer.
I cannot tell if you are answering YES to ALL of my questions..
SO, if you would kindly humor me,
Would you please answer YES or NO, to these question.
And please, save your personal rapture of your faith to a later post?
again:
Some questions, yes or no answers, no agenda campaigning.
1) Is the Bible the direct word of your god?
2) Did god himself actually write the Bible?
3) IF god did NOT himself sit down and write the bible, then did
VARIOUS HUMANS, at different times, actually sit down and write the bible?
4) CAN human beings "make up" and write down anything they want to,
based entirely on their OWN life experiences and prevailing culture
WHILE they were sitting down and writing the various bible PASSAGES?
5) The Bible is BOTH FULL of nice, glorious, loving passages that GOBBEE
likes to copy and paste, AND the bible is ALSO FULL of horrible,
brutal commandments from god to KILL, RAPE, and TORTURE fellow humans.
So Tripl7, seeing as how the bible has BOTH "good" and "bad" stuff
in it, is the bible the direct word of god, all the good AND bad stuff?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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YES!
Read it from beginning to end.
In context to the various issues and states of the Hebrews?Israelites at the time.
Is there any accounts of anyone stoning or killing there children? NO!
The Israelites couldn't even get from point A to point B(something like 70-80 miles without screwing everything up(took them 40 years). They couldn't keep any of the laws, that was the whole point. They continually added other religions on top of it. Hey, we can't get it right with God, so lets try some of this, get naked and drunk, sacrifice something to a golden cow or bird etc.
When a prophet stated or declared all the death and destruction 90% of the things you quoted were never happened because it scared the hell out of the people and like Nineveh the repented and turned back to God.
And then so many years down the line another Prophet would come along and declare all the same damnation and so on.
But it did happen to Israel a number of times, the were either destroyed and taken into captivity etc. 1200 years.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Tripster, about those Assyrians, you just can't seem to get past this post-genocidal propaganda dished out by your god's people after they slaughtered (or witnessed the slaughter) of their enemies, can you?
That's a pretty broad brush to paint an entire civilization with... but hey, since they're not around to defend themselves anymore, might as well lay it on thick, huh?
Unfortunately for the "Jonah-predicted-it" camp, records show that Assyrian religion wasn't really all that different from Judaism when it came to ethics and morality. Which really shouldn't be a surprise, unless you have a need to demonize them in order to justify their destruction.
May my sins be forgiven, my transgressions be wiped out.
May the ban be loosened, the chain broken,
May the seven winds carry off my sighs.
Let me tear away my iniquity, let the birds carry it to heaven,
Let the fish take off my misfortune, the stream carry it off.
May the beasts of the field take it away from me,
The flowing waters of the stream wash me clean.
Let me be pure like the sheen of gold.
As a ring of precious stone, may I be precious before thee.
Remove my iniquity, save my soul.
-Assyrian penitential hymn
Sounds kinda familiar, doesn't it? Only difference is there was a pantheon of deities to kiss up to instead of a single, jealous little demiurge.
Here's another:
The sin I have committed change to mercy,
The wrong I have done, may the wind carry off.
Tear asunder my many transgressions as a garment.
My god, my sins are seven times seven, forgive me my sins.
My goddess, my sins are seven times seven, forgive me my sins,
Known or unknown god, my sins are seven times seven, forgive me my sins.
Known or unknown goddess, my sins are seven times seven, forgive me my sins.
Forgive me my sins and I will humble myself before thee.
May thy heart be glad as the heart of the mother that has given birth, as that of a father who has begotten a child.
Hardly the sentiments of a wicked, wicked people who all deserved to die, I'd say. Just chock-full of typical guilt, fear, and poetic anguish, right up there with the very best of Hebrew self-loathing. Change a few details and you could slip this into your book of Psalms without even noticing.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes!
Look what SCIENCE has been saying wes, because I followed the seismologist throughout the f*#kin 80's starting with Mammoth in 1980!!!
They ran us out of the f*#kin town, your TRUSTED SEISMOLOGIS B#%$&DS!!!
They had it written in stone back then an up through the 90's that earthquakes were on the increase from the 50's you dumb sh#t.
They said Mammoth was going to blow any damn second AZZH#LE!!
F#knard!
Hey no the little pansy ass bastards are saying OH we were wrong we forgot there were only 7,000 seizmographs in the early 1900's know there are 80,000. So of course we are regersting more quakes.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
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Tripl7, if the YES in your post was the answer to ALL my questions,
then you have a real problem with basic logic and reasoning.
You have answered YES to questions that contradict each other.
That means that you are either simply "naive" (don't know much yet)
OR it means your brain is undeveloped, incapable of rational reasoning.
I would NOT like to believe either of the above about you.
So, which it is, TripL7? Are you naive, or stupid, or are you HIDING
your TRUE intelligence from us for some unknown reason?
IF SO, WHEN are you planning on letting it loose?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes!
You know how many people lost there homes in Mammoth in 1980-84!
Half the f*#kin town AZZ#&LE!!!
All because of your f#&in boyfriend Seismologist/Scientist!!!!777SEVEN!
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Whoa. Either Trippy really blew a gasket or someone hijacked his account.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Wes!!!
Where were you in 1980 wes??
You sure in hell were not in Mammoth! the F#%NARD SCIENTIST told everyone the ground had risen thirty feet and told evryone to get out!!!
Log homes that wherte going for $300,000.00 couldn't be sold to anyone for $30,000.00!!
Major F*#KUP by MAJOR F#KNARDS that called themserlves SCIENTIST!!!
The whole town went bankrupt!!
Lots that were going for $40,000.00 wouldn't sell for $2,000.00.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Your a joke WES get out of my life!!!
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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cintune!
I didn't blow a gasket, I am comunicating in the only language that weschrist knows!
Read everyone of his posts!
It's called making a point!
I agree, not very Christlike.
But I never claimed to be Christ.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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OK
I'm over it...more or less.
Let me ask this one question regarding seismologist/scientist and the history of Mammoth regarding the earthquake activity and the volcanoes and subsequent events?
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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cintune!
See what Trippy and Gobee et al. put up with on aregular basis from weschrist Wanda Ricky roadman et al.??
Or is there a double standard that goes unnoticed by the masses?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
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Are you SURE the bible was NOT written by HUMANS?
Would GOD REALLY SAY THIS STUPID ASS STUFF?
GOD Commands His Followers to KILL Damn Near Everything
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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How can God be both loving and destroy His creation, stay true to his Holy self and not lie?
In the day's of Noah, everyone laughed at him, and thought he was nuts! God said after that He would not flood the (whole) earth again!
Many times in the Bible, God was going to punish and destroy the people of Israel but Moses and other prophets prayed and told them to repent and return to God and when they did, He relented!
It would be evil if went and did those things that are on Norton's lists that he wrote that God said to do!
I'm NOT God, and the way I look at it I'm not getting treated the way I deserve I'm getting a pardon, through Jesus!
I'm sure this doesn't answers your question but it's my answers!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 08:13pm PT
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Only an IDIOT would say that the Bible is the direct word of "god"
Only an IDIOT would say that everything in the bible is the word of god.
IF I believed in the guy in sky FAIRY TALE, I sure would NOT be DUMB enough
to believe that God commands Tripl7 and Gobee to KILL and RAPE other humans,
You have to be naive, or stupid, or have an immature, undeveloped brain
to believe THAT.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Tough crowd, true. But you're probably still better off with the more Christ-like passive-aggressive approach, overall. Just my opinion, of course.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 08:16pm PT
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Gobee, GROW UP will you?
Only a child would believe that the bible is the direct word of god.
God commands YOU, Gobee, to KILL AND RAPE?
It says so right in the SAME BIBLE YOU read every day.
Did you MISS those sections?
Did your mama cut them out so you would not see them?
Santa, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny..............................
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gteck
climber
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who cares how old the fossils are or how you figure out how old it is. Flex your minute brain at your next trekki convention. the simple fact remains that the human body is a random compilation of random molecules in a random environment that performs miraculous feat's every nano second of its existence which is totally by chance. Or did something/someone design us? From a scientific standpoint i thought all you guys would be excited about intelligent design seeing how you are all knowing. What about Love or the many nonphysical connections we have with each other or with nature? How do these things help us find food or stay warm or protect us from predators? I am going to love you away nnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhh, there now you wont eat me. We are all spiritual beings with souls and minds that cannot be explained. We are mortal. God is not, therefore we cannot understand "him". we need a mediator. Who or what is yours?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 08:19pm PT
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Cintune, it they got it, they ought to say it, no screwing around.
If you want to run with the big dogs, then you have to be able to piss in the tall grass.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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cintune!
THE POINT BEING!!
Wes et al (besides the constant cursing and degrading remarks, fuknard being his favorite), seems to overlook some of the MAJOR inadequacies of the scientific method. Namely, case in point Mammoth 1980-86!
Thy said that it was imminent that the volcano was going to blow and the whole town had to be evacuated and abandoned. Over half the full time residents 5,000 abandoned the town. And God only knows how many people lost there second homes and condos.
The scientist admitted 5-7 years after all the damage was done that the SCREWED UP.
Along with that through the 70- 80's they were saying that earthquakes over all were on the increase.
And during the last decade or so changed there tune admitting that the had miss calculated activity secondary to the fact that there are 10 times the amount of seismograph machines or more than there were a century ago.
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