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franky
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Black Hills, SD
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Feb 18, 2016 - 04:45pm PT
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As insane as the occupiers were, they seem to have mainstream republican support.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 18, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
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How can Cruz "RETURN" land that has always been under federal title? Is he as ignorant as the Branch Stupidians? Or just a lying stack of sh#t, as my mother used to say.
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kattz
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Feb 18, 2016 - 06:21pm PT
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Got to love Ammon...
From his statement about the Feds:
"that they killed cattle, that they tased people, that they threw women on the ground"
yeah, "women" are right there, somewhere in-between "cattle" and "people".
Well "The maximum sentence is five years for conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S., six years for conspiracy to impede and injure a federal officer; 20 years for assault on a federal officer; 10 years for threatening a federal law enforcement officer; 10 years for obstruction of justice, 20 years for interfering with interstate commerce by extortion, 20 years for interstate travel in aid of extortion and a five-year minimum for using and carrying a firearm in a crime of violence."
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
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Although the indictment is valid and likely justified, I find some sadness in envisioning the likely outcome for these prisoners. After all, they really believed they were right in their cause. Agee with them or not- they followed through with what they believe. Hand them that, at least.
The positive part of this debacle is that Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is now on everyone's map as a place to visit. Before this, I had never heard of it, but now plan to visit as a tourist. Last time I drove through Burns was in 1981; dustbowl, windswept,and seemingly deserted. Not any more!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 19, 2016 - 07:55am PT
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ISIS believes in their cause too. Gotta give them that.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 19, 2016 - 08:26am PT
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The Republicans and Democrats believe in their cause as well....based on some of the comments around here, they might be a tad more fanatical than ISIS about it.
I'm far more concerned about the amount of control and lasting impact our own government has over me than I will ever be about some random bogey man terrorist group. Domestic or foreign.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 19, 2016 - 08:37am PT
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Do you really think Hank done it this way?
Are these chumps gonna set up a proper prison gang and get organized? They're a few steps up from the old good ol' boys and neo neo-nutzi's. Somehow I don't think that they've got the minerals. Some of y'all are an embarrassment to honest white folk and if you loudmouthed fat slobs start a race war, ima turn you out myself.
Winky winky toilet sinky.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 08:38am PT
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Agee with them or not- they followed through with what they believe. Hand them that, at least.
I think, though I could be wrong, that what they "believed" was that the government would submit, or they would die as martyrs. The thought of a restricted life of years in prison didn't seem to really register, and I suppose that, at least for some of them, they are wondering why it DIDN'T.
Perhaps they were working under a false assumption the patriarch didn't get hauled away. If that is the case, then yes, it is sad. But I really do not know how someone could take the actions they did and NOT expect prison as a likely outcome.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 19, 2016 - 08:50am PT
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The thought of a restricted life of years in prison didn't seem to really register, and I suppose that, at least for some of them, they are wondering why it DIDN'T.
It's beginning to sink in to 25 of them right about now, trust me.
Happie, I forgot to tell you how good your post was waaaaayyyy back about an actual civil war.
To see how truly whacked some of these folks are, look no further than the comments under Harney County Sheriffs facebook page under the 4-H Kids visit to law enforcement post. George Merkley and Graham Sandler are especially interesting. Graham goes way off the rails with his special hatred of Jews.
https://www.facebook.com/Harney-County-Sheriffs-Office-1053081328076653/
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 19, 2016 - 09:19am PT
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I confess to being a history buff and last night I watched several hours of American Civil War history on The History Channel.
I had managed to forget much of the “state’s rights” bluster that was fueled by slave-owners & hot-heads, that led up to the Southern States seceding & starting the Civil War.
I have to confess that although the CowQuida idiots that occupied Malheur are often called domestic terrorists, they likely think of themselves as revolutionaries.
The romance of armed revolution against government has somehow found a number of followers among those who perceive our current system of government as unjust & unfair.
When I reflect on how much our nation has changed since Civil War times, I really can’t believe how the CowQuida idiots could think they would get away with armed insurrection & seizure of Government facilities.
1860: For communication, telegraphs were the fastest. For transportation, a sketchy steam-powered railroad & steamboat system, & otherwise sailing ships, horses, and walking. For media: newspapers & word of mouth.
Perhaps those CowQuidists currently incarcerated can catch up on their reading of history & note the lack of success here for revolutions since the one that started our nation 240 years ago.
George Santayana, 1862-1953, was a philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist.
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
This famous statement has produced many paraphrases and variants:
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it. Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them .
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Santayana
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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Feb 19, 2016 - 09:48am PT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiT_uYWqwX8&ebc=ANyPxKptzeqmFc3yy_sJlVfBhSX7P82t8IsIwMBCcJQzqDWopIfxmBspfc0XlySVb5g0q710U5B5W_ZaMBkeOGfMixhdJZzdhQ
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 19, 2016 - 10:37am PT
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Yeah, but what does Ron think?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2016 - 11:10am PT
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While armed militants stomped around Tim Blount’s Harney County home, he was busy rolling up donations and adding members to his group.
Blount, executive director of the Friends of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, says the 41-day occupation of the 187,757-acre refuge, where he lives, had a big silver lining for the nonprofit organization. Thanks to the national spotlight, the Friends raised more than $30,000 in donations during the past month and saw its membership skyrocket from 130 to 700 members.
That’s pretty good for a nonprofit listing about $72,085 in assets on its 2014 tax documents (the most recent year available).
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/294132-171512-donations-pile-up-as-refuge-supporters-fight-standoff-with-big-bucks
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kattz
climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 06:23pm PT
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Facebook is priceless...a giant database of political opinions of every single fool who uses it, complete with facial recognition and all kinds of identifying details. And people keep posting...on Harney County Sheriff's page, on Bundy Ranch page...just keep posting. Voluntarily filling out FBI files on themselves, pretty patriotic.
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kattz
climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
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The reason why the thought of ending up locked up and being stuck in a cage wasn't registering with them earlier is probably massive entitlement of all Bundys... probably has everything to do with their childhood, which I bet was spent as spoilt daddy's brats and always feeling like top dogs, never facing real adversity or even a good spanking. Ammon got a 500K business loan from the US government, basically, because he couldn't obtain private financing. Considering that somewhere in the 3rd word such loan would be backed by his life, such as himself and his family buried alive in concrete in case of non-payment...and dare you to badmouth your lender...gonna get some beefy guys show up and light up your hair....this is another sign of entitlement. Their behavior is outright childish.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Feb 23, 2016 - 04:46pm PT
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Rather than start another politard thread, I'll share this distressing news here.
House Moves On Bills That Would Allow States To Seize Millions Of Acres Of Public Lands!
Less than two weeks after the arrest of Cliven Bundy and the armed militants who were occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, the U.S. House of Representatives will consider three bills that would dispose of vast stretches of national forests and other public lands across the country.
The bills, which will be heard in a meeting of the House Natural Resources Committee on Thursday, represent an escalation of the political battle being waged by the Koch brothers’ political network, anti-government extremist groups, and a small group of conservative politicians led by the committee’s chairman, U.S. Representative Rob Bishop (R-UT).
The first bill, introduced by Representative Don Young from Alaska (R), would allow any state to seize control and ownership of up to 2 million acres of national forests within its borders — an area nearly the size of Yellowstone National Park. A state would then be able to auction off the lands to private ownership or for mining, logging, and drilling.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/23/3752342/bundy-copycat-bills-public-lands/
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 23, 2016 - 04:55pm PT
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That'll go nowhere.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 23, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
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Sweet. Maybe I will bid on Idaho's 2 million acres. I can think of a perfect pitch for it.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 23, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
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I'm far more concerned about the amount of control and lasting impact our own government has over me than I will ever be about some random bogey man terrorist group. Domestic or foreign.
Well, the first thing you ought to do then is get off the dole and move out of Idaho which has the one of the lowest GDPs per capita in the country and lives large off the federal tit.
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