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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 15, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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It may take a bit of time for the wheels to turn and the stone to grind,
but this isn't PG&E's first rodeo by a long margin.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"Only" eight deaths in this explosion.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 15, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
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hey there, say, originalpmac, and mouse...
wow, thanks for sharing...
things we WONDER about... we really don't know what to think...
until this info, gets shared/or exposed...
:(
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:28pm PT
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One has to think that above-ground utility lines are a setup for this sort of thing in a windstorm.
Now comes the decisions, as to replace the downed lines with underground lines, and permanently fix the problem, or pay less to place them back above, and set it up for the whole thing all over again.
There really needs to be some serious thinking going into the aftermath of these things!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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Uh
Money doesn't talk it swears
Don't badmouth the dead
And especially don't swear at their survivors
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 16, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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I believe the Swall fire several winters ago was the result of SCE power lines being blown down resulting in numerous home losses...SCE denied responsibility...There was another fire 10 years before that came close to leveling Swall Meadows attributed to a San Diego power company crew...No bad deed goes unrewarded when you can bribe the PUC...
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 16, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
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2nd solution; chop down every tree within 50 feet of power lines. Top the remainder outside of 50 ft so none can contact lines in the event of failure.
Third solution: Business as usual.
AKA: History, read it and weep.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 16, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
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Get a refund on your ticket to Utopia, if you can. There is mounting evidence that it doesn't exist.
PG&E cares about profits first and prudence only when it protects the profits.
We are going to have to get a load of investment into our electrical, gas, water, and transportation systems ASAP that is long overdue.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Oct 17, 2017 - 12:02am PT
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Is this what the pundits mean when they talk about a decayed and decaying infrastructure in the USA? Corruption and indifference go hand-in-hand.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2017 - 07:26am PT
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^^^^ Well put, mate. At least we’re not arguing the utility of utilities.
I could prove, if a grand jury were convened, that the USFS caused the largest fire (Station) in LA County/ San Gabriel Mts history. Then they let it blow up to cover their tracks.
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 17, 2017 - 11:43am PT
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Keep on it Reilly, they almost burned down my house.
This isn't mine, but it's how close it came.
The other side of the fire, near Acton
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
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^^^ Wow, zBrown that last one is a helluva picture. Those firefighters are doing some great work out there.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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Reilly, what happened with the Station Fire, how was that started?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Oct 18, 2017 - 08:15am PT
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Here is what the Station Fire looked like from the beach.
This fire should have been a few dozen acres. Instead it consumed most of the Angeles National Forest.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:01am PT
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pmac, I was told the facts in confidence that I will not break UNLESS I see a strong likelihood that something good would come of it. If you love conspiracies and cover ups this is for you but, as is so often the case, the truth will not out here without some heavy hitters getting involved and I don’t see that happening. Those hypocrites at the $14,000,000 Angeles NF Taj Mahal in Arcadia look to be safe, for now.
Nice shor, Ggnome!
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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^^^ Right on, Reilly.
I guess a thought about PG&E as to these recent fires: There were high winds in the forecast. Would it not be a good idea to shut down power preemptively? Everyone would complain I am sure, but on the other hand
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Pmac, while quite the thread drift you might want to go to The Economist and search for their article on solar geo-magnetic storms’ effect on the power grid. We’re in the last two years of the current sunspot cycle and the threat is deemed serious enough that the Pentagon and Homeland Security are ‘gaming’ the civil unrest that could ensue.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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Average price for underground is $10,000 per span. Spans average 20 per mile.
That's actually pretty low. For an average primary distribution line (12kV to 34kV or so) under ground lines run around $450k per mile here in AZ and it can go much higher.
Curt
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2017 - 05:01pm PT
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Holy Damn, Reilly, thats a hell of an article. Sobering.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 18, 2017 - 05:12pm PT
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We pay plenty enough for 100% safe transmission, but we're not getting it.
California pays the highest rates for electricity of any state. By far. There's not even a close second.
What are we getting for that? Safest transmission in the country? Hell no! The exact opposite. 42 people just died because of sloppy electricity transmission.
What we do get for our extra added expense is the same electricity everybody else gets - just produced by more expensive methods. And the highest paid utility employees.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Oct 19, 2017 - 01:15am PT
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PG&E can suck a big terrdd out of my ashhoal. I used to work for those crooked fuukksticks clearing trees from powerlines. Their top brass would show up at the jobsite drinking 64oz chugjugs full of whiskey and coke. They should pay my property taxes for the right of way they have on my property. Where I live now, we have Nevada Energy. My power bill is one third what it was in California. We are at 8c -12c a Kwatt hour. In Cali most of my power from PGE was 44c a KWH. I guarantee that they will not pay any consequences for the fires as long as Jerry Brown and his appointees control the California PUC, run by PGE and SoCal Edison execs. They will be on vacation in Maui while taxpayers, ratepayers and insurance customers are forced to pay for all the damages.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 19, 2017 - 02:51am PT
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I wasn't going to mention the PUC<ERS but the real hardball is played in Sacto with the politicos.
My father's job as a manager of a business office for Pacific Telephone gave him some insight and he never had a good word to say about these carpetbagging commissioners.
So good luck and godspeed in dealing with changes, buckos.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 19, 2017 - 01:27pm PT
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I guess a thought about PG&E as to these recent fires: There were high winds in the forecast. Would it not be a good idea to shut down power preemptively? Everyone would complain I am sure, but on the other hand
This is a brilliant idea. Costs nothing, loses no lives. Minimal inconvenience.
I've never heard of it being done, but it should. People in the know could set parameters: certain fire conditions, certain wind speeds and directions.
Automatic cut-offs. Would same lives and buildings.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 19, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
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Minimal inconvenience
What? NO INTARDNET? YOU CALL THAT MINIMAL?
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 19, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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ICE lodged a detainer against Jesus Gonzalez with Sonoma County jail officials on October 16, following his arrest on felony charges for maliciously setting fire to a property. This is especially troubling in light of the massive wildfires already devastating the region. Over the past year, ICE has lodged detainers against Mr. Gonzalez after four separate arrests by Sonoma County on various felony and misdemeanor charges. ICE was never notified of Mr. Gonzalez' various releases. Additionally, Mr. Gonzales has been returned to his home country of Mexico on two separate occasions.
The media is pretty silent on this arrest. they were quick to blame pg+ e though....
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 19, 2017 - 06:29pm PT
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Here's some more random sh#t. This time about two crackers who set fire to churches. They should have been deported to hell.
BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) -
Two men who set fire to several churches want out of prison early. Attorneys for Matthew Cloyd and Benjamin Mosely were in court Thursday morning to ask a judge to release them before their sentences are up.
Mosely and Cloyd were convicted of setting fire to nine Alabama churches in 2006. Five of those fires were in Bibb County. Later, they set fire to four more churches in west Alabama to throw investigators off the trail.
Both men eventually plead guilty to state and federal charges. When their federal sentences ended last year, they started serving time in state prison.
Mosely said "hi" to Bibb County Sheirff Keith Hannah and nothing else as deputies led him into the courthouse on Thursday. Once inside, he read a letter to Circuit Judge Marvin Wiggins and others inside the court.
Mosley apologized to the churches he burned and the families he hurt.
But Bibb County District attorney Michael Jackson didn't buy it.
"His whole thing is a con. If you really want to take responsibility then you will serve the full amount of your time," Jackson said.
Jackson opposes any early release. An earlier hearing on the same matter was cancelled in August when the sides could not agree on a deal.
"These aren't nice young men. They burnt churches. That's one of the worst things you can do and I'm going to keep fighting to make sure they stay in prison," Jackson said today.
If they are not granted an early release, they will remain in state custody until 2017. A third church arsonist, Russell Debusk, who participated in the first five church arsons, was released early from prison last year.
Judge Wiggins took the request under advisement and could issue a ruling at a later time.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 19, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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Sorry, Wilmot, the responsible media is quiet cuz there was nothing to it. Of course your alt right sources (Breitbart and InfoWars leading the pack) will go crazy cuz they think he's an illegal.
A homeless guy starts a small fire in a park he's known to sleep in, to keep warm, and someone stomps it out mostly before fire crew arrive.
Sonoma sheriff shoots down right-wing reports linking arson suspect to wine country fires
http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article179322896.html
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 19, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
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[quote]Gonzales was arrested at Maxwell Farms Regional Park in Sonoma on Sunday afternoon after he was seen leaving a creek bed with a plume of smoke rising behind him,
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article179322896.html#storylink=cpy[/quote]
Staying warm by walking away from a fire he started? When it was 78 degrees outside? Seriously?
It's arson- and he is the only one to be caught purposefully trying to start a wildfire... despite dozens killed by... wildfire
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 19, 2017 - 08:24pm PT
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Don't know a thing about Gonzales but so much else you say c is just off it's hard to know what to think
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
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They blamed PG&E cause it was powerlines that started it. Same for Nevada County and Butte County. Duh.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 19, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
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The sheriff doesn't seem to think so, Wilmot.
Don't ya think he'd love to find the person responsible if indeed these fires were arson caused?
He says 'There’s no indication he’s related to these fires at all'
I'll go with the sheriff who has more info than your right wing agenda driven sites.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sonoma-arson-20171017-story.html
Gonzalez walked away from the fire as the officers approached, Harris said.
Most people would interpret that as, he walked away because the officers approached.
Some homeless people who knew Gonzalez said that he had a habit of setting fire to brush along the creek bed.
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c wilmot
climber
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Oct 20, 2017 - 06:09am PT
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The Sheriff is the one who ignored two previous ICE detainer requests. The man would have been in Mexico rather than starting wildfires in ca had the sheriff followed the orders of federal officers.
Of course he is going to downplay the arrest- he is the one who is complicit in allowing thAt man to go free. had this man been deported- those deadly fires might not have ever been
So far this is the ONLY person caught deliberately starting wildfires in the area during these deadly fires
And yet the MSM is burying the story..
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 20, 2017 - 07:52am PT
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If ICE got the detainers legally, then the Sheriff would be happy to oblige.
ICE sent a detainer requesting the Sheriff’s Office hold Gonzalez for 48 hours past his scheduled release time. However, this detainer is not signed by a judge so the Sheriff’s Office cannot legally honor it. Multiple Federal court cases have determined these administrative detainers are unconstitutional. Notably, the Miranda-Olivares v. Clackamas County case found administrative detainers are an unreasonable seizure and, therefore, are a violation of the Fourth Amendment. ICE has the ability to obtain a warrant for anyone they are interested in like we do every day in this county. If ICE obtains a warrant I can legally hold the person and would be happy to do so
Why won't ICE follow the law, Wilmot?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 20, 2017 - 07:56am PT
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monolith = American brainwashed corporate tool that doesn't climb.
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