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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 24, 2006 - 12:25am PT
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MAY NOT BE WORK SAFE (MARGINAL). You could make it work safe by plugging some headphones in to your speakers....
http://www.blogjam.com/neil_armstrong/
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:32am PT
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They never went .......to the moon.
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benvdk
Social climber
santa barbara
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:43am PT
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Werner,
I am curious, why do you believe we did not land on the moon. I have attempted to discuss the possibility with friends in the past. This has always been a great source of ammusment to them.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:54am PT
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yeah, what's up with the Werner? You've said it before.
I'm in no position to prove or diprove anything, but I did meet one of those guys. It is my opinion that he, at the very least, believed, he went there. He had pictures!
Like that proves anything.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:59am PT
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They can not go to the moon, forbidden, in their present state of consciousness. The moon "Chandraloka" is 800,000 miles past the sun.
Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the "astronauts" have traveled to the moon--a distance of almost 94 million miles--in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)?
Rahu, maybe they went, if anywhere.
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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2006 - 01:31am PT
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Werner, not sure I'm following ya here, good buddy. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, so try to be more clear. You're not referring, obviously, to the rock commonly referred to as "the moon", which is so close to us it exacts a toll on the tides and women's menstrual cycles...
You're referring to a different moon? One that's further away than the sun, not relly close to us?
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wildone
climber
right near the beach, boyeee (lord have mercy)
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2006 - 01:34am PT
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...and by the way, werener. I should have written a discalimer in my origanal post to the effect of : deaf people don't click on this-the really funny sh#t is what's going on in the audio realm. I wish you could hear it Werner. I bet you'd find it funny.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 24, 2006 - 01:44am PT
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No no. I am referring to the real moon you are seeing with your eyes which you are describing. You and most everyone else will reject my statements as absurd, even so far as thinking I'm nuts/insane (hahahaha), yes I know it sounds impossible.
Do not fear
You can reject
We will see ........ if the Vedas tell the real truth. (So far they have, the original information on how to split the atom was found there, in the Vedas)
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Feb 24, 2006 - 01:45am PT
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that IS pretty f-funny, and different then I remember. Must be getting old.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Feb 24, 2006 - 03:08am PT
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The first Astronauts were all military guys, right?
Nobody in the military ever swears.
Maybe Werner is right.
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Dusty
Trad climber
up & down highway 99
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Feb 24, 2006 - 03:37am PT
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what the hell is werner talking about?
i mean, i can buy the whole "moon-landing-was-a-conspiracy" theory (even Fox sed so on tee-vee!), but the braun's lost me pretty good on the other stuff... more info?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Feb 24, 2006 - 08:21am PT
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Lame. I thought it was going to be a "One giant leap for Manny Klein" audio.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 24, 2006 - 09:35am PT
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Werner, you are wrong (for once). It did happen. I was there.
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spyork
Trad climber
Fremont, CA
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:10pm PT
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I used to work with Navy and ex navy. They were all proficient at swearing. Unless they were Marines. Then they were experts.
First thing naval ordnancemen said to me:
"If you werent in the navy, you're lower than whale shit"
I think Werner is just having fun with us. Not that it really matters whether we went to the moon or not.
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seamus mcshane
climber
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:16pm PT
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The moon landing was pure Hollywood.
Werner- the moon is 286,000 +/- miles from Earth.
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hobo
climber
PDX
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:23pm PT
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In a little while we will have a probe near pluto. Maybe we will be there when pluto has an atmosphere. Maybe it will be so cold during that time that the atmosphere solidifies and goes to the surface. I am interested. Hopefully we dont run in to jupiter cuz its real big.
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:34pm PT
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one thing that has always nagged me about the space program and its milestones is the continuity.
question for the pro's-
why no moon base by now?
tons of potential energy, gravity-lite, less exposure to 'station' destroying impacts.....
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 24, 2006 - 12:36pm PT
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Nope
Moon is 800,000 miles past the sun.
They never went!
93 million miles to the sun plus 800,000 more to the moon,
Hoax!, you've been owned .....
Now there is an invisible planet called Rahu that is aproximately the distance 286,000 miles. this is the real planet that causes the eclipse that we see.
Rahu planet comes in front of the full moon , and thus a lunar eclipse takes place.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Feb 24, 2006 - 01:36pm PT
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Just like the stars? Not that it really is, of course.
What he really said... is even funnier than the video.
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Feb 24, 2006 - 02:55pm PT
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A photo from Mars of the Earth and our Moon taken by the Mars Global Surveyor in 2003
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 24, 2006 - 05:30pm PT
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In President Kennedy's speech to Congress, on May 25, 1961, he expressed a concern that the United States was falling behind the Soviet Union in technology and prestige. He challenged the nation to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade.
On July 16, 1969, the Apollo 11 launched from the Kennedy Space Center.
There are a number of facts, that I believe show the U.S. never made it. I have always found it "interesting" that Kennedy's "challenge" was met, the last year of the decade.
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Feb 24, 2006 - 08:07pm PT
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Everyone's entitled to their beliefs. I guess that's all that can really be said. I believe we did it, and if that sounds like crazy talk to anyone else, fine. But what would the point of faking it be?
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Gramicci
Social climber
Ventura
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Feb 24, 2006 - 08:26pm PT
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So they had to fake it 6-8 times, more? Should have just faked Apollo 13 as well, then those guys could of said they bagged it too.
Never met a pilot that didn’t swear. All that editing was a little overboard but could see it going that way after all it was the biggest thing any of those fly boys ever did in their frigin lives. I would have said worst for sure.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 25, 2006 - 07:22pm PT
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That was fvcking great!
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 25, 2006 - 09:41pm PT
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Oh c'mon cintune what is the point of faking it...are you serious?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 26, 2006 - 01:43am PT
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So what exactly is a LPD? Those funny lines painted on the windows of LEM? Anyone know what I am talking about? If Armstrong had not switched to manual that craft would have made a perfect landing.
Armstrong was a total bad ass like Young.
Young walked on the Moon and flew the first Shuttle.
Shepard never really went into space, and then landed on the moon. That's like doing you first lead, then the next day doing sea of dreams.
Juanito
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Feb 26, 2006 - 02:09am PT
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"if the Vedas tell the real truth". Werner, the Buddha even said not to believe everything you read or hear. have you gone to the moon? is it where you say it is? i dont believe any thing the gov says. if they made it they never even left. in the vedas Rahul is a planet, not a moon.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 26, 2006 - 01:03pm PT
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They never went .....
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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Feb 26, 2006 - 02:28pm PT
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During the mid-1960s the Apollo Support Department of the General Electric Company in Florida conducted extensive mission reliability studies for NASA. These studies were based on very elaborate reliability models of all of the systems. A reliability profile over the course of a mission was generated by computer simulation, and a large number of such simulations were carried out for different scenarios. Based on those studies, the probability of landing on the moon and returning safely to earth never dropped below 90%. Robert A. Braeunigs link
mid-60's computer simulations heh? that must have been alot of punchcards.
i've read somewhere else that part of the 'conspiracy' theory involves Wernher V. Braun collecting the 'moon rock' samples while on expedition down in Antarctica.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 26, 2006 - 02:42pm PT
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Divergent shadows which could only have been produced by a spotlight.
See the Astro-nots jump out of their own shadow. One of the more famous photo's shows the shadow of the flag, but not of the Astro-not.
Photo showing absolutely no crater under the main rocket of the LEM.
Photo of Astro-not taken by fellow Astro-not who had no camera.
Radiation should have turned the Astro-nots into crispy space bacon.
With all the "stuff" we left up there, why are there no photo's of it? Hubble certainly could have taken some.
Why are there never any stars showing in any of the moon pictures?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 26, 2006 - 03:11pm PT
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Putting a Saturn Five into orbit is way harder than landing.
So the Saturn V launch was some type of optical illusion?
Building a LH2 engine, that was f*#king hard.
Juanito
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 26, 2006 - 03:15pm PT
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I used to make sure I was the one that serviced the Palomar Sesimic station just so I could be near the 200". I was given a private tour once they got to know me.
I could be working there now, but its kind of a remote location and my wife was not happy with the idea.
Still would like to work at the owen's valley radio site.
Juanito
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Loom
climber
167 stinking feet above sea level : (
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Feb 26, 2006 - 03:20pm PT
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Numquam ponenda est pluritas sine necessitate.
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rasteira
Trad climber
NYC
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Feb 26, 2006 - 03:47pm PT
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Apocalypse: here are the answers to your questions.
Divergent shadows: the moon is not an even surface. the surface and viewing angle will make the shadows not always appear in the same direction... and come on! if it were shot with multiple light sources, there would be multiple shadows!
astronauts jumping out of their shadows? same issue. uneven terrain.
No crater: Gravity on the moon is 1/6th the level on earth, and their use of a variable thrust liquid fueled rocket (an incredible system) allowed a very low-thrust landing. No need to blast in at 1500mph and blow a crater to stop in time, speed reduction was done over time so that when they got to 100 feet or so they were just floating, and in Apollo 11's case, for a long time. However, there is a massive swirl of dust in all the descent videos and a definite discolored spot in all the pictures I've ever seen of the underside of the lander
According to a study in the June 2000 issue of Radiation Research, they state that radiation levels on the moon and Mars at solar minimum (the highest point of galactic radiation) to be ~1mSv/year. That is less radiation than a commercial airline crew accumulates in one year. As for the Van Allen belts, at the high speeds that they traveled, they would have crossed the belts in about an hour, which would give a dose of about .01mSv. which would be a quite acceptable level.
No stars? they weren't there to take pictures of stars. the amount of sunlight on the bright-side of the moon is higher than daytime earth light since there is no atmosphere. Exposures would have to be very low to not get a rediculously washed out picture, which would completely rule out ever seeing stars in a photograph. All the reports I have heard from the Apollo crews was that the view of the stars on the dark side of the moon was incredible.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 26, 2006 - 03:53pm PT
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Oh yea well what about the gray, waxy thing that my pizza is sitting on? It's a lie. "They" tell us that it will make our food crispy when we microwave food on it.
You know what I'm talking about. You're supposed to put your pizza or your hot pocket or whatever on it and it's supposed to make your food as crispy as if you baked it. You don't bake it because you don't have 30 min to wait to stuff your face because you are a lazy f*#k or a fat f*#k (I hope I am the former but soon, after eating all these microwave pizzas, I will become the latter) and you want your food NOW so you nuke it in the microwave instead. yeah. It doesn't work. It never works.
It's not a crispy-maker, it's a sadness-maker. It raises your hopes only to dash them. It's like the dead beat dad that never went to your soccer games. It's like the loser girlfriend who never keeps her promises but you stay with her because she's sexy and has a cute laugh and drinks snapple.
It's like the presidential election where you vote hoping that Bush will lose. It sucks. The pizza comes out just as soggy except this time, it comes with the added suspicion that you have just increased your chances for getting cancer because you nuked it on the gray thing.
It's bullsh#t. In fact, I don't even know what it's made of but I hate it. If ever an inanimate object could mock someone, it would be this thing. I hate you, you gray-colored, waxy, sorta-shiny-yet-dull, plastic, paper thingy that comes with my microwave pizza.
Yea...see, answer these questions I have (needless to say, I had a bad lunch).
and all I really wanted in life, was a puppy
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Ouch!
climber
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Feb 26, 2006 - 05:03pm PT
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"my wife was not happy with the idea."
Hey, Juan, what does your wife think about all those teenybopper coeds you brag about?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 26, 2006 - 07:08pm PT
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What coeds?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Feb 26, 2006 - 07:08pm PT
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What coeds?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Feb 26, 2006 - 07:23pm PT
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UCLA coeds.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Feb 26, 2006 - 07:23pm PT
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UCLA coeds.
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Festus
Social climber
San Diego
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Feb 28, 2006 - 02:22pm PT
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"We never went to the moon. I had a white zinfandel at the bowling alley with Chuck Colson, Richard Pombo, Chiang Kai-shek and the kid who played Nicholas on Eight is Enough and they told me."
--Fattrad Braun
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