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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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That pic looks like Staircase, on the north face of the Sugarloaf at Murrin?
EDIT: could also be Hot Wire, the 10c to the left. Not quite sure. Needs MH2 pic in same pose to verify :D
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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There is a gap in my coverage.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Sep 15, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
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Sad to read about Les. Another Squamish pioneer gone. Les didn't climb very often, but when he did, he sure climbed hard. Both on the rock and in the mountains. He was a person with many different interests and abilities.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Sep 17, 2017 - 12:13am PT
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After thinking about Les the last couple of days, I remembered this short story. Quite mundane, and not nearly as exciting as starting a riot. I know this story is true because I was there, and I think that Glenn was there too.
Les came from the UK, where local climbing clubs played an important part in developing the sport. Two well known examples, among dozens, would be the Creag Dhu and the Rock and Ice. The latter was unusual in that it had no rules, no huts and no fees. But it did have Brown and Whillans!
Les decided that Squamish needed a club. A meeting (the first and last) was held at Big Jim's house near the PNE, with about a dozen or so of the usual suspects present. There was hopeful talk of Yosemite, the Andes and the Himalaya. A name was chosen, the Kakademon Climbing Club (KCC), a president elected (most likely Les), and a small annual fee was collected.
And that was as far as it went. All talk but sadly no action. Mostly I think because everyone had their own plans and groups, and there were not enough local climbers to form a critical mass.
Several years later we decided to install a plaque at Squamish to remember Jim Baldwin. The fees from the defunct KCC were still in the bank (surprise!!) and came within a dollar or two of the cost of the plaque. End of story, such as it is.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 17, 2017 - 11:19am PT
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Nice images bearbreeder! Awesome stories everyone.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 17, 2017 - 11:47am PT
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After thinking about Les the last couple of days, I remembered this short story. Quite mundane, and not nearly as exciting as starting a riot. I know this story is true because I was there, and I think that Glenn was there too.
Les came from the UK, where local climbing clubs played an important part in developing the sport. Two well known examples, among dozens, would be the Creag Dhu and the Rock and Ice. The latter was unusual in that it had no rules, no huts and no fees. But it did have Brown and Whillans!
Les decided that Squamish needed a club. A meeting (the first and last) was held at Big Jim's house near the PNE, with about a dozen or so of the usual suspects present. There was hopeful talk of Yosemite, the Andes and the Himalaya. A name was chosen, the Kakademon Climbing Club (KCC), a president elected (most likely Les), and a small annual fee was collected.
And that was as far as it went. All talk but sadly no action. Mostly I think because everyone had their own plans and groups, and there were not enough local climbers to form a critical mass.
Several years later we decided to install a plaque at Squamish to remember Jim Baldwin. The fees from the defunct KCC were still in the bank (surprise!!) and came within a dollar or two of the cost of the plaque. End of story, such as it is.
And that's how I remember it, too. Les wanted a club similar to those in Great Britain, ideally with a club room (or a spot in a pub) where climbers could have a beer after a climb and share stories. But the beer parlours in Squamish weren't overly friendly to climbers (it was a logging town), and some of the climbers didn't drink beer (I know, I know, it's hard to believe, but it's true). And there didn't seem to be any compelling reason to form a clubs and, as Hamie said, there was no critical mass.
Not counting than the hike up the backside trail, the earliest club trips at Squamish might have been two successful ones put on by the BCMC: an October 1962 trip up the North Gully (led by me) and an October 1964 climb of the Acrophobes (led by Peter Thompson). These were attended not just by young climbers but by such relative old-timers as Dick Chambers, Paul Binkert, and Esther Kafer. And the VOC held sundry rock schools at Murrin Park in the early 1960s.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 17, 2017 - 02:02pm PT
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Yup. Amazing how far back some of this stuff goes.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 17, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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And that's how I remember it, too. Les wanted a club similar to those in Great Britain, ideally with a club room (or a spot in a pub) where climbers could have a beer after a climb and share stories. But the beer parlours in Squamish weren't overly friendly to climbers (it was a logging town), and some of the climbers didn't drink beer (I know, I know, it's hard to believe, but it's true). And there didn't seem to be any compelling reason to form a clubs and, as Hamie said, there was no critical mass.
In the early-to-mid 70s, when I discovered climbing and Squamish (simultaneously), the club existed with all the attributes above, except for one thing: there was no "club".
The two pubs in Squamish were friendly enough to climbers by then, but – more importantly – they were in Squamish and the climbers were in Vancouver. So, while a beer in the Chieftan or the Squamish Hotel was often on the menu at the end of the day on Saturday or Sunday, the weekday pub night that the clubs in England centered around developed as "Wednesday night at the Cecil".
I never met Les, and, as far as I know, Hamish and Glenn were no longer climbing at Squamish when I started. Likewise, most of the Squamish Hard Core had graduated to Yosemite and/or real life. But there was a core group of ex-Brits, sort of centered around John Howard, who missed the climbers-night-at-the-pub tradition they'd left behind.
I'm not aware that any of them missed clubs, but they did miss the pub thing, and my introduction to what climbing was all about – no, not the climbing itself, but everything else – was Wednesday Night at the Cecil.
All things pass. The Cecil reinvented itself as a strip club and our Wednesday night moved to The Yale. But it wasn't the same...
I sure do miss John.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 17, 2017 - 04:43pm PT
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You're right -- Ivanhoe, not Yale.
But the venue really didn't matter. The time had come and gone for that part of Squamish climbing.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Sep 17, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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The second recorded climb at Squamish, North Gully, was done in 1958 by what might be described as a BCMC party. Although as Glenn says, the Chief didn't really become a destination for the BCMC until 1961 or 1962. IIRC, Esther Kafer led a group of the younger members on new year's eve of 1961 (1962?), some of whom climbed the Acrophobes.
A cacodemon (or cacodaemon) is an evil spirit or (in the modern sense of the word) a demon. The opposite of a cacodemon is an agathodaemon or eudaemon, a good spirit or angel. The word cacodemon comes through Latin from the Ancient Greek κακοδαίμων kakodaimōn, meaning an "evil spirit," whereas daimon would be a neutral spirit in Greek and Tychodaimon would be a good spirit.
However, the "c" is pronounced as though a "k" - it's not a sassodemon, but a kakodemon.
The 1967 guidebook refers to the area around what became known as Cacodemon Caves/Closet simply as "a group of large boulders". They're called Cacodemon Caves in 1975. Not sure how/when that transmogrification occurred, but it's nice that the CCC is memorialized in the name.
Bricks Shannan allegedly earned his nickname by pulling fake bricks off the façade of the Jolly Alderman, which was kitty-corner to the brutalist pile called city hall. Climbers through the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s drank their share of beer, if nothing else, bearing in mind that in the BC of the 1960s and 1970s that mostly involved going to a dingy beer parlour - there weren't any others - the kind with terry cloth tabletops, two signs on the doors ("men" and "ladies and escorts"), and a choice of Molson, Labatt's or high test.
Climbers now go to acroyoga in frou frou clothes instead.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 17, 2017 - 08:03pm PT
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The second recorded climb at Squamish, North Gully, was done in 1958 by what might be described as a BCMC party. Although as Glenn says, the Chief didn't really become a destination for the BCMC until 1961 or 1962. IIRC, Esther Kafer led a group of the younger members on new year's eve of 1961 (1962?), some of whom climbed the Acrophobes.
The New Year's Eve trip was 1961, with Culbert, me, my brother Bob, Arnold Shives, etc. That was the 1st ascent of the higher Acrophobe. Esther K wasn't on that, but she was on the October 1964 ascent.
The two pubs in Squamish were friendly enough to climbers by then, but – more importantly – they were in Squamish and the climbers were in Vancouver. So, while a beer in the Chieftan or the Squamish Hotel was often on the menu at the end of the day on Saturday or Sunday, the weekday pub night that the clubs in England centered around developed as "Wednesday night at the Cecil".
In the early 1060s (before your time, Ghost), the Cecil was the place the younger climbers hung out. Sometimes it would be the Fraser Arms. We tried all the pubs up and down Granville: the Yale, Blackstone, the Royal, the Austin, and the Cece seemed to be our favourite. For some of us, it wasn't just "Wed at the Cece" but many nights. [I got banned for life from the Cece, once, or at least until that particular bouncer moved on.....]. But you are right: eventually the Cece became a strip joint and most of us grew up, a bit.
And while I'm on pubs: in the late 1970s when I worked in the Sun Tower, on occasion one or two of us would head off to the Niagara for a beer. Again, it turned into a strip joint and that was the end of that.
Nice to see this thread break the 9000-post mark; on to 10,000.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Sep 17, 2017 - 08:26pm PT
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Ah, the Cece! Good times.
Throwing mungballs at the ceiling. Giving the ceiling a drink. The latter involved standing up and throwing the contents of your beer glass at the ceiling. Surprising that only Glenn was banned. Taking one for the team!
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 17, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
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Didn't things move to the Cobalt for a bit?
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brownie
Trad climber
squamish
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Sep 28, 2017 - 07:54pm PT
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cordless bolt pulling?
some might tell you that's reckless,
but I will tell you,
with some certainty
you are gonna die sir..
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 29, 2017 - 07:56am PT
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BB is obsessed by pusheen the cat so it must be some kind of symbol for him. I see he's brought his race and political taunting to the climbing threads now.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 29, 2017 - 08:20am PT
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Tell us the meaning of those pusheen pics, BB, and why you post a lot of them.
WHyte pholkz r amazed dat AZNS kan TACO n belay at da saim time !!!
It's always reassuring knowing your belayer is searching and posting memes to ST political threads at the same time.
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 29, 2017 - 11:25am PT
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Back to work....
I know this was taken on the Grand Wall in the latest 1960s. But, please, can anyone tell me what pitch it is on?
Thanks...
Glenn
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Sep 29, 2017 - 11:55am PT
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Are you sure that's the Grand Glenn? I don't recall a right facing flake corner like that one in the background anywhere nearby. Could it be on Tantalus Wall with the Bulletheads behind?
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Sep 29, 2017 - 11:59am PT
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I don't know. The label on the b&w original says Grand Wall, but you are right that something looks a bit weird. I've never done the Grand.
Another possibility is Wewstern Dihedral. I'm less certain if he ever did Tantalus wall.
Glenn
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