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apogee
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" Her ability to execute, however, has yet to be proven."
Good thing she doesn't have 'community organizer' on her CV, or you Repubs would be in quite a fix, wouldn't you?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 11:30am PT
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I agree with your assessment of the transfer-ability of corporate leadership to political leadership, I guess it just distresses me a bit that you consider her rhetoric a good representation of the conservative political viewpoint and that you would want her to execute on it.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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Fiorina's not nuts. She strikes me as a very shrewd player. She's got very good instincts on how to appeal to her base and she's done a great job executing on it. Unfortunately, the things that are working for her require some very ugly rhetoric and a lot of pretty huge lies.
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
Dec 2, 2015 - 10:52am PT
You guys are pathetic
I just put the exact words "China is phasing out many coal plants" into the Google Machine
and it gives me an answer!!!
I guess not every one is smart as me
I must be the smartest Person in the World!
Beijing to Shut All Major Coal Power Plants to Cut Pollution
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/beijing-to-close-all-major-coal-power-plants-to-curb-pollution
So, they're closing 4 and building 1100.
Anyone think China's CO2 emissions will decline (or even plateau) over the next 20 years?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 11:47am PT
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Well that's just it, she's appealing to a set of expectations that are beyond comprehension. For a group of people who spend so much time complaining about politicians who can't deliver on their promises we sure do expect an awful lot from them.
Edward- China is pretty eager to engage as a global player. I'm not sure how accurate that 1100 power plant number is, but they are building more solar panels than anyone. They've also been quicker to set CO2 goals than the US has. Everyone knows that a big part of making this all work is making CO2 emitting technologies expensive compared to the greener options. I'm not sure why people think China is so much less trustworthy than the US is. Their government openly states their intent and has the power to act on it. Our government is openly hostile to meeting CO2 emission goals.
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Norton
Social climber
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**Leader Mitch McConnell continue to block the 9/11 heathcare bill in the Senate.
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19 min ago - The 9/11 victims are in the hallway of Senator McConnell today, asking that he finally pass the 9/11 healthcare bill. Many have cancer and other life threating illnesses and need financial support. Why is McConnell against any kind of healthcare? ... (Its shown live on TV today,)
Why do some people vote Republican when their own Senate Leader is against
providing healthcare to the 9/11 responders?
Why do YOU vote Republican anyway, WHY?
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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I think we may be looking at slightly different matters. The issue I addressed initially was whether the United States was "ready" to elect a woman President. If enough of the electorate approves of the candidate's position, I don't think the gender of the candidate will matter.
In a way it's no different from asking if we're ready to elect someone who is Jewish President. I think Bernie Sanders' positions are largely insane, but if enough disagree with me and agree with him, we're perfectly ready to elect him. His religous or ethnic affiliation isn't any real bar.
I don't see anyone saying that Fiorina has a disadvantage because she's a woman. The disadvantages they see are her experience (both what she's done and what she hasn't done) and her views, not her gender.
John
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philo
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. I think Bernie Sanders' positions are largely insane
Would you be willing to cite specific examples?
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JEleazarian
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Fresno CA
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Since you ask, Philo. I haven't much time to spend now, having squandered my lunch hour on the much more consequential issue of the status of the Cal football program's head coach.
I offer just one part of his platform, because I have better things to do with my time. This is taken directly from Sanders' campaign's web site:
Demanding that the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share in taxes. As president, Sen. Sanders will stop corporations from shifting their profits and jobs overseas to avoid paying U.S. income taxes. He will create a progressive estate tax on the top 0.3 percent of Americans who inherit more than $3.5 million. He will also enact a tax on Wall Street speculators who caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs, homes, and life savings.
First of all, he won't enact anything. Only Congress can do that, the current administration's aggrandizement of power to the contrary notwithstanding. Of at least equal importance, what tax on "Wall Street Speculators" does he propose to enact? On what is it measured? Who pays? how much? Does he even understand the vital role speculators play in conserving resources?
What is a corporations "fair share" of taxes? Arnold Zellner proved conclusively in the American Economic Review (the most prestigious economic journal in at least the U.S., if not the world) that we cannot determine what individuals pay the corporate income tax, or any other corporate tax for that matter. How can one say a tax is "fair," or a share of the tax burden is fair, if we can't even know which individuals pay it?
Increasing the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour by 2020. In the year 2015, no one who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty.
That will do wonders for teenage employment, I'm sure.
Putting at least 13 million Americans to work by investing $1 trillion over five years towards rebuilding our crumbling roads, bridges, railways, airports, public transit systems, ports, dams, wastewater plants, and other infrastructure needs.
I hope it works better than Obamas "shovel-ready" projects did.
Reversing trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China that have driven down wages and caused the loss of millions of jobs. If corporate America wants us to buy their products they need to manufacture those products in this country, not in China or other low-wage countries.
See Smoot-Hawley Tariff, and its effect in causing and exascerbating the Great Depression.
Creating 1 million jobs for disadvantaged young Americans by investing $5.5 billion in a youth jobs program. Today, the youth unemployment rate is off the charts. We have got to end this tragedy by making sure teenagers and young adults have the jobs they need to move up the economic ladder.
I take it we need a youth jobs programs (how do we pay for it?) because none will be employed at his $15.00/hr. minimum wage.
Fighting for pay equity by signing the Paycheck Fairness Act into law. It is an outrage that women earn just 78 cents for every dollar a man earns.
Did he bother to see if the 78 cents per dollar adjusts for, say, differences in hours worked, for just one factor? (Hint: it doesn't). Just what we need for a well-functioning economy. The government telling us what everyone should be paid.
Making tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout America. Everyone in this country who studies hard should be able to go to college regardless of income.
And what trees does he propose to plant that will produce money as fruit to pay for this?
Expanding Social Security by lifting the cap on taxable income above $250,000. At a time when the senior poverty rate is going up, we have got to make sure that every American can retire with dignity and respect.
If we lift the cap, does that not also require us to lift the benefits, or is he converting Social Security (a /de facto// welfare system) into a true welfare system?
Guaranteeing healthcare as a right of citizenship by enacting a Medicare for all single-payer healthcare system. It’s time for the U.S. to join every major industrialized country on earth and provide universal healthcare to all.
How do we pay for the right to health care/ The way the rest of the world does, by limiting treatment? Is he aware of the difficulty that "every other major industrialized country" without an expanding population is experiencing paying for its welfare state?
Requiring employers to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave; two weeks of paid vacation; and 7 days of paid sick days. Real family values are about making sure that parents have the time they need to bond with their babies and take care of their children and relatives when they get ill.
And we pay for this how?
Enacting a universal childcare and prekindergarten program. Every psychologist understands that the most formative years for a human being is from the ages 0-3. We have got to make sure every family in America has the opportunity to send their kids to a high quality childcare and pre-K program.
See above, plus will we end up with better adults if the state raises our kids? See, e.g. the Hitler Youth.
Making it easier for workers to join unions by fighting for the Employee Free Choice Act. One of the most significant reasons for the 40-year decline in the middle class is that the rights of workers to collectively bargain for better wages and benefits have been severely undermined.
Unions have declined whenever workers are free to opt out of them. It would appear that either He thinks he knows more than every worker, or, maybe, they know more than him. The only areas were unions have expanded is for government workers. And against whom, exactly, are those government employee unions protecting their members/ The rapacious taxpayers?
Breaking up huge financial institutions so that they are no longer too big to fail. Seven years ago, the taxpayers of this country bailed out Wall Street because they were too big to fail. Yet, 3 out of the 4 largest financial institutions are 80 percent bigger today than before we bailed them out. Sen. Sanders has introduced legislation to break these banks up. As president, he will fight to sign this legislation into law.
No, we bailed out Wall Street because they had good connections in Washington, and because many thought that the way back was to "re-flate" the real estate industry. This was because government meddling in the housing market had been a major reason for the housing bubble in the first place. While I agree that nothing in the private sector should be "too big to fail," I rather susupect that nothing will be without a lot of government intervention propping it up in the first place.
Most of his policy prescriptions have been tried and failed miserably. If trying something and expecting different results from the previous trial defines insanity, there you have it. More importantly, thinking that the economy is a zero-sum system, or else that money grow on trees or is created by pixies, is true economic insanity.
I have paying work to do, so take your time on the attack.
John
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philo
climber
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Wow good thing you didn't have much time.
Thanks for the response.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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will we end up with better adults if the state raises our kids? See, e.g. the Hitler Youth.
American Public schools produce Hitler Youth!!!
I disagree with almost every word of your Fear Laden manifesto
A complete bias of reality,
Most of his policy prescriptions have been tried and failed miserably.
WRONG
they were disabled by Conservatives
They worked great here from 1938-1980, they made us the wealthiest Country in the World
and still in a lot of other First World Countries
Why do the Republicans keep trying to do Supply Side Economics??
Why do they want to lower taxes on the rich when it has proved to be an adjunct failure every time?
Iraq was supposed to be a fresh country to try Friedman Economics again, how did it work out. They fired all the Gov. workers and the free market was supposed to come to the rescue.
Chile
Are they insane?, by John's standards, Yes, the whole GOP is Insane
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Thats why there are so many typos. Now back to paying work.
Well, first I need to thank you, Philo, for giving me a needed distraction. I'm in the process of writing a response to demand letters detailing 40 years of financial transactions. Trying to make that read in a compelling fashion probably constitutes its own form of insanity.
John
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Most of his policy prescriptions have been tried and failed miserably.
WRONG
they were disabled by Conservatives
They worked great here from 1938-1980, they made us the wealthiest Country in the World
and still in a lot of other First World Countries
Which policy prescriptions are you referring to?
Which ones worked great (up to 1980) and were then disabled by Conservatives?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Hey CRAIG FRY..... WTF is up with this.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Supply Side Economics
Deregulation
Curbing Environmental Standards
No Campaign limitations
All tried before, all failed
all are based on one thing, greed
and don't get me started on the Libertarian movement
Just another scam devised by the rich and greedy
It's mostly composed of right wing extremist ideologues and disenfranchised Republicans.
There is no Libertarian Paradise, they are hell holes
So John
Is the GOP insane?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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So Craig Fry avoids the fact and reality that the top ten cities in the US with the highest POVERTY RATES are and have been run by Democrats.
Figures.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 03:24pm PT
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John posted I don't see anyone saying that Fiorina has a disadvantage because she's a woman. The disadvantages they see are her experience (both what she's done and what she hasn't done) and her views, not her gender.
Fiorina has a disadvantage because she's a woman.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Craig,
Which policy prescriptions are you referring to?
Which ones worked great (up to 1980) and were then disabled by Conservatives?
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