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WBraun
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Apr 30, 2019 - 01:59pm PT
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But is it important?
You seem also to think so otherwise it wouldn't have crossed your MIND.
Actually, it is important.
But you'll never really care to investigate why.
Because it's out of your consciousness reach at this time and circumstance ....
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 30, 2019 - 04:48pm PT
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MikeL: " Do you think they could be mathematically described? Do you see a pattern in any of them? "
Mike, when I experiment with my infinite compositions in the complex plane a lot of chaotic stuff like that (steel plates) appears. I revise the math formulae and try to create patterns. But everything is unexpected, hence weak emergence. Mostly, I obtain the neat results by separating the real and imaginary parts of the complex variable z=x+iy. For example. ξ=y+ix = iConjugate(z). I also employ trig functions to get the medallion-like effects.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 05:46pm PT
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Again, what we see is reliant upon how we see, and that's what is what's interesting to me.
We?
In fact, seems to me I've heard that quoted line above more than once and it has a hackneyed ring to it if ever there was.
As far as what might be considered a political reaction, let's just say I think it grossly unfair to superimpose a Nazi symbol on the American flag. If such a thing is what you need to sustain interest you'll one day find yourself deep in the weeds, my friend ; far from producing good art.
"How we see reliant on what we see" is a long load of crap, frankly.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 30, 2019 - 07:28pm PT
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Actually, it is important.
I agree but probably for different reasons.
Kidding around is important to me, for example, and trying to lighten the mood when I believe others take things too seriously.
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Trump
climber
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Apr 30, 2019 - 08:12pm PT
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Good art requires us to make up what is “art” as well as what is “good.”
Some people are better at making stuff up than others are. That’s cool. It’s something to do I guess. And we’re good at it.
There’s probably an art of explaining things to one’s mother-in-law, depending on what you think a good response on her part is.
Please make up whether that’s humor or not according to what suits you.
TFPU! Whatever it is that we made up to say.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 30, 2019 - 08:33pm PT
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Again:
You suppose the sense of sight is lodged within the eye,
Whereas this eye is but the mere machine.
The fount of sight streams from the inmost soul,
And in the secret chambers of the brain,
The eyes’ fine nerves convey each nice impression.
King Rene’s Daughter
A Lyric Drama
From the Danish of Henrik Herz
Rendered into English Verse
by the Hon. Edmund Phipps
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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John,
Other than a random-number generator, could one create a program such as you do (or an equation, I guess) that would create a non-repeating random pattern (such as the steel plate produced when treated with muratic acid and later sprayed with water that I showed)?
I know that the term "pattern" generally means a repeating design--which is NOT what I see in the images of steel I sent you. When I look at your images, I see an intricate but repeating design. When I look at nature or what shows up in an unelaborated awareness / consciousness, I don't see repeating designs *per se.*
Fractals, however, do show repeating designs, don't they?
It seems to me that the mind imputes patterns, whereas in reality, there are no patterns--any more than there are straight lines in nature.
MH2, +1
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Mike, when I first experiment with an iteration sequence I frequently get seemingly random displays - chaotic in nature. I'll do one sometime soon and post it so you can see the similarity with your plates.
Fractals, each of which is a simple iteration of a single and very special rational function, analytic in most of the plane, are much more controllable and there is a well-defined theory for them, including interesting definitions of "dimension."
My interests are more difficult to corral. The only theory I have developed regards where and under what conditions the iteration sequence converges to specific values. I see some of this theory in some of my expansions, but mostly I see unexpected phenomena. I usually avoid the conditions of convergence to make life more entertaining.
Your jacket design is provocative, even stunning, as art can be at times. I appreciate your efforts.
Wish I had more interest in the climbing content appearing now.
J.
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WBraun
climber
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in reality, there are no patterns
Only in your own independent self made strange reality.
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Trump
climber
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Fer sure.
There’s a pattern right there in front of our eyes of repeating the same verse again.
What a long strange trip it’s been. If we say so. And we do, for some reason or other.
Oh me me me I know the reason! It’s the reason I say it is, for the reasons I say it is! I’m pretty sure that I created myself in my own mind.
Good art. Ok.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Here's one that has a vague sort of pattern, but much is chaotic.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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My inmost soul sees a lot, there, and it changes with the angle of view, my state of mind, the degree of squint, and other variables. Very interesting to look at an image on the threshold of having a pattern.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Hey, John, can you post or send me a pointer to that full image record? I wanna see it up close.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Done
Chaotic behavior has several definitions but one doesn't need to be mathematically precise to grok (see Wizard) the idea. This is especially true of my approach. Most existing theory requires the concept of the derivative of t(z), which my theory doesn't require.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Most existing theory requires the concept of the derivative of t(z), which my theory doesn't require.
A phrase to conjure with.
Or to conjecture with.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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This is a test.
Only a test.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Never thought muriatic acid would show up here
It is hell on rust though
And probably the impetus for the old phrase
Do not let rust sleep
Else
yikes
I have been violating all the rules
If you are going to use muriatic acid to remove rust despite the heath risks, dilute it 1 to 10 with water. Work in a well-ventilated space, and wear dark glasses and gloves. Place the diluted water-acid mixture into a spray bottle, and spray it on the rust. Use a brush to scrub off the rust.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I’m trying to figure out who would wear that jacket. A Roller Disco Skinhead?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Fet,
If you don't mind me saying something, that's how you're reading the image. Jacket (flag, swastika) + wearing of clothing. Yeah, that's a beginning. There's no end to coming up with ideas or interpretations of any piece of art.
The artisan effect may well be in the viewer.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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z,
I used the acid to start the rusting process, then watered multiple times in the day with a hand sprayer.
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