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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 23, 2012 - 02:34am PT
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I'd previously posted:
So think about this: You've admitted to a problem that is likely PTSD, a mental disorder. And you have guns. And you've purchased guns and given them to people who couldn't legally have them. And you deny it all, because you would RATHER call it something else.
I would be very concerned about being around you when you are intoxicated, and angry, because you will be armed, and you may react without even understanding that you are doing so.
There is another additive factor that raises alarm bells: threat of violence outside the law, such as:
well with those divulged facts, yes im sure i would have done exactly as you.! Cept i would have gone HUNTING afterwards.
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Jeebs,,,i would have preferred some TORTURE to find out ANYTHING about this..Maybe,, just maybe if we made the penalties for such crimes the most barbaric a taxidermist can think of,, we would start finding out the real whys..
Remember that we are talking about a former LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, here.
Advocating hunting people with guns, and torturing.
Hmmmm. Just add alcohol, and mix vigorously.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 23, 2012 - 03:07am PT
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Hey, he called me out. He's the one who challenged with a $500 bet.
You'd think Repubs would learn that the making bets crap usually ends in their eating their words.
In addition, this is exactly what the gun laws are all about.....creating a patchwork of laws that are easily violated that effectively makes them not work. This is the GOAL of the NRA-types, and Ron's example simply shows how a law enforcement officer will violate those laws, if they feel like it.
Jebuz, I happen to work in an occupation where people routinely accuse every member of covering up the errors and commissions of others. However, that is actually not what goes on in most of my world. When we see something wrong, we point it out. If I did anything different, I would feed into that impared vision of ethics. If it's wrong, it's wrong.
I don't have a problem with people making mistakes, as long as they own up to them, and work not to repeat them, particularly involving third parties, when there is no harm. That would seem to be the potential situation, here.
Remember, I'm not the one who brought up the situation in the first place.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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Riley, I'm getting old so does that mean I have PTSD?
Wow!
Was it all the gunfire?
I have never heard this before.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 23, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
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Ron, Checkout the rock removal thread.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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Ron, you can post all the links you like about DOMESTIC flights you want.
You stated that your friend was going to SOUTH AFRICA, he had a GREEN CARD, which I don't believe residents of other states have to have to work in California.
So he was flying INTERNATIONALLY. Let's see the links for THOSE regulations, buddy.
The fact that you posted the domestic regulations, when you know he wasn't taking those flights to get to where he "was in danger", tells me that you know you are wrong, and are trying to hide the truth.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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So the NRA says that gun laws won't protect children in any way.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates nearly two million children live in homes with loaded, unlocked guns.
The presence of guns increases the risk of death. Most adolescent suicides involve a gun owned by a parent.
Parents may think they have adequately protected their children by
safely storing their guns, but this sense of security is often misplaced. A study by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center found that 39 percent of children interviewed knew the location of their parents’ guns and 22 percent said they had handled the guns despite their parents’ reporting otherwise.
Children under 10 were just as likely to have reported knowing where the guns were kept and having handled them as older children. Research shows that it is not enough to talk to children about the
dangers of guns. Children exposed to gun safety programs are no less likely to play with guns than those who are not exposed to such classes.
Simply removing guns from the home is one of the best
ways to protect children and teens from gun deaths.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 23, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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The most recent analysis of data from 23 high-income countries
reported that 87 percent of children under age 15 killed by guns in these nations lived in the United
States.
Gun homicide continued as the leading cause of death among Black teens 15 to 19. White teens the same age were more likely to die from motor vehicle accidents, followed by gun homicide in 2008 and gun suicide in 2009.
Taking a 30-year snapshot when child gun death and injury data collection began,116,385 children and teens were killed by firearms between 1979 and 2009—enough to fill 4,655 public school
classrooms of 25 students each.
Since 1979, America has lost nearly three times as many children and teens to gunfire as the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action during the Vietnam War, and over 23 times the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq and
Afghanistan (5,013).
Non-fatal gun injuries and the physical and emotional trauma that follows afflicted 34,387
children and teens over two years, 20,596 in 2008 and 13,791 in 2009.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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A friend of mine who took some guns to Africa for a hunt said that as soon as he cleared airport security there was a gun store with beaucoup beer and dope (that means ammunition to you noobs), even high quality suppressors and full autos.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:56am PT
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There are DIFFERENT rules for bringing firearms into an african country for "guests" (non-natives) and for residents.
From the South African website:
Permanent Importation (South African passport holders)
Returning South African Citizens who wish to import firearms for hunting, target practice, protection, etc., are advised to apply for an import permit six to eight weeks before their departure and address their application to:
or send a facsimile to : 011 27 (12) 353-6041
Once this permit (SAP 312) has been issued application should be made directly to:
The Director of Import and Export Control
Department of Trade and Industry
Private Bag X192
Pretoria
0001
SOUTH AFRICA
or a facsimile sent to : 011 27 (12) 428-7799
Telephone Number : 011 27 (12) 428-7793/7796/7786/7788
Email : vvuuren@dti.pwv.gov.za
The following information is required
Owner's full name and address
Identity number (SA citizens only)
Passport number (Foreigners and permanent resident holders)
Type of fire-arm
Caliber of fire-arm
Manufacturer's serial number (It is illegal to import fire-arms without serial numbers stamped or engraved onto the metal)
Type of ammunition
Quantity of ammunition
Market value in Rand.
After producing the above permits the applicable import duties and VAT must be paid to Customs before the release of the firearms can be obtained.
The owner of the import permit will have to apply for the firearm license before the expiry date on the temporary permit (SAP 312) and the preceding documents (as well as proof of payment of tax) should be submitted with the application.
It is the responsibility of the passport holder to present the South African Police Service with a Certificate of Conduct (Police record) from the country of origin when he applies for a South African firearm license.
but Ron, I simply don't believe that you had your friend file such a form 2 months before leaving. I don't believe you arranged for a "Certificate of Conduct" for him, and I don't think he paid customs and taxes.
But you have the plausible deniability that cops love to use, especially when testifying with their hands on a bible.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 02:57am PT
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I can't believe I'm going to say this, but
where's the kook with the ponies?
Bring on the ponies!
The Federal Commission of Equestria agrees. Where did I put my Party Cannon...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:09am PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:10am PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:11am PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:11am PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:13am PT
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:14am PT
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hooray for ponies!!
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 24, 2012 - 03:23am PT
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