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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:01pm PT
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New GOP Platform:
“Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to the states,” reads the adopted language. “We call upon all national and state leaders and representatives to exert their utmost power and influence to urge the transfer of those lands identified.”
The provision calls for an immediate full-scale disposal of “certain” public lands, without defining which lands it would apply to, leaving national parks, wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, and national forests apparently up for grabs and vulnerable to development, privatization, or transfer to state ownership.
Wonder what they'll rename Yosemite?
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
Nov 13, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
You know, when you put up a career bureaucrat and lifelong elected elitist, don't be surprised when people think a misogynist racist is a better choice.
Please explain to us again how fishing licenses and garbage fees amount to oppresive statism.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
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Please explain to us how Donald Trump could never get 270 votes and be elected. Because that never gets old. Or sub-contract that out to Norton, because its more impactful seeing him eat it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:12pm PT
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I never said that.
Next!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:14pm PT
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Funny, I never said fishing licenses or garage fees equate to oppressive statism.
EDIT:
Next!
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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lol...you did. You presented a list I'd 97 or 99 things you shouldn't pay for. It was a cut and paste but you posted it. You own it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:08pm PT
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lol...you did. You presented a list I'd 97 or 99 things you shouldn't pay for. It was a cut and paste but you posted it. You own it.
And just think, you were under the impression that Hillary voters were the educated ones. Your lack of reading comprehension and understanding would explain your confidence in Hillary winning.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
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From AOL...
One celebrity said she plans to leave the United States and move to New Mexico for good...New Mexico?
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
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ahhh politics...
let's wait and see the results rather than talk about our feelings...
meanwhile, special appreciation to Russ, the original climbing death prankster,
or has everyone forgotten why he got that name in the first place?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
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Bannister...We saw the results when George W. Bush was POTUS...Trump is a throw back to the Bush Years and prolly worse...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
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Way worse
He just appointed Bannon
Netanyahu sheet his pants
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:02pm PT
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The problem with many people who rely on logic and reason is that they project that ability onto others (and even over-ascribe it to themselves) whether it is deserving or not. I am definitely guilty of this. This creates a blind spot in terms of anticipating how others will react, and I think this accounts for a lot of the failure of Dems to understand Trump voters.
I should clarify that I don't think all Dems are smart and all Repubs are stupid.
There are plenty of people on both sides who are intellectually challenged. Many Dem voters, more on the stupid end of the intelligence pool, think in terms of "take money from rich and give it to me! Stick it to the man! Rage against the machine!" If that was the heart of what I thought the Democrat party is, I would not have anything to do with it. A lot of libertarians and the smarter end of Republicans seem to think that's what being a Democrat means.
But the folks who are doing the polling and active in shaping thought among Dems tend to be more intelligent than not, and there is an ideology and sense of values in making the system as a whole better, not just leaving everyone to fend for themselves with an overall less good system (good being measured by money, happiness, whatever). And the folks on Repub side who are smart would tend to be rich and have an economic interest that outweighs other considerations to pick the Repub candidate, or they are emotionally attached to an issue like Abortion or fear of outsiders that causes their decision to be made in an emotional rather than intellectual realm. There is a smaller category of Repubs who are rational and reasoning and not too emotionally attached to any specific issue, who have thought about issues from a variety of perspectives and just reached different conclusions from Dems because they interpret facts through the lens of different values and assumptions about people's behavior. I think this last pool of people is too small to have influenced the election much, but I'm willing to change my viewpoint on that.
Intelligent people need to get past the blind spot of assuming other people will react intelligently to whatever their pain points are. They need to learn to see the world from a different perspective and recognize the patterns of how people act, which is much more driven by emotion than by reason.
I'll bet most of us, even the very intellectual, act much more from emotion than from reason, and frequently do things that are not in our own best interest. I procrastinate and distract myself more than I should, and I intellectually know this, and I know the consequences in terms of my productivity and accomplishing my goals, and yet I still do it. That intellect part is like a parent telling the kid to buckle down and study, while the part of me coming here is like the little kid who just wants to go out and play with his friends. Perhaps pollsters need to get better at grasping this human element of imperfect action in one's own interest, and reevaluating what are real human drivers to get a more accurate picture of what is really in a person's best interest given who they are and what their emotional needs are.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:34pm PT
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Nut Again...Thanks for your thoughts...Most people vote with their dicks...Why else would so many guys on supertopo go for Trump...?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
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"The problem with many people who rely on logic and reason is that they project that ability onto others (and even over-ascribe it to themselves) whether it is deserving or not. I am definitely guilty of this. This creates a blind spot in terms of anticipating how others will react, and I think this accounts for a lot of the failure of Dems to understand Trump voters."
the curse of knowledge...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:48pm PT
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Thanks, NutAgain. Good post. Of course you will be called a crankaloon and a libertard any number of other mindless epithets for trying to be rational. There are always those whose intellect only goes that far. Lots of that above!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
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Nut Again...Thanks for your thoughts...Most people vote with their dicks...Why else would so many guys on supertopo go for Trump...?
That would explain why you didn't vote for him.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 13, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
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Escopeta...You got me there...LOL...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 13, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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Too complex Robert L
World in 2008 or 2016 state?
You just can't set up the environment
I've seen speculation that Obama would have beaten Trump this year
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