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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 15, 2017 - 11:05am PT
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It may take a bit of time for the wheels to turn and the stone to grind,
but this isn't PG&E's first rodeo by a long margin.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
"Only" eight deaths in this explosion.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 15, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
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hey there, say, originalpmac, and mouse...
wow, thanks for sharing...
things we WONDER about... we really don't know what to think...
until this info, gets shared/or exposed...
:(
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:28pm PT
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One has to think that above-ground utility lines are a setup for this sort of thing in a windstorm.
Now comes the decisions, as to replace the downed lines with underground lines, and permanently fix the problem, or pay less to place them back above, and set it up for the whole thing all over again.
There really needs to be some serious thinking going into the aftermath of these things!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 15, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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Uh
Money doesn't talk it swears
Don't badmouth the dead
And especially don't swear at their survivors
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 16, 2017 - 09:44am PT
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I believe the Swall fire several winters ago was the result of SCE power lines being blown down resulting in numerous home losses...SCE denied responsibility...There was another fire 10 years before that came close to leveling Swall Meadows attributed to a San Diego power company crew...No bad deed goes unrewarded when you can bribe the PUC...
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 16, 2017 - 01:25pm PT
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2nd solution; chop down every tree within 50 feet of power lines. Top the remainder outside of 50 ft so none can contact lines in the event of failure.
Third solution: Business as usual.
AKA: History, read it and weep.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 16, 2017 - 02:01pm PT
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Get a refund on your ticket to Utopia, if you can. There is mounting evidence that it doesn't exist.
PG&E cares about profits first and prudence only when it protects the profits.
We are going to have to get a load of investment into our electrical, gas, water, and transportation systems ASAP that is long overdue.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Oct 17, 2017 - 12:02am PT
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Is this what the pundits mean when they talk about a decayed and decaying infrastructure in the USA? Corruption and indifference go hand-in-hand.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2017 - 07:26am PT
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^^^^ Well put, mate. At least we’re not arguing the utility of utilities.
I could prove, if a grand jury were convened, that the USFS caused the largest fire (Station) in LA County/ San Gabriel Mts history. Then they let it blow up to cover their tracks.
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 17, 2017 - 11:43am PT
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Keep on it Reilly, they almost burned down my house.
This isn't mine, but it's how close it came.
The other side of the fire, near Acton
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2017 - 01:18pm PT
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^^^ Wow, zBrown that last one is a helluva picture. Those firefighters are doing some great work out there.
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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Reilly, what happened with the Station Fire, how was that started?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Oct 18, 2017 - 08:15am PT
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Here is what the Station Fire looked like from the beach.
This fire should have been a few dozen acres. Instead it consumed most of the Angeles National Forest.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:01am PT
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pmac, I was told the facts in confidence that I will not break UNLESS I see a strong likelihood that something good would come of it. If you love conspiracies and cover ups this is for you but, as is so often the case, the truth will not out here without some heavy hitters getting involved and I don’t see that happening. Those hypocrites at the $14,000,000 Angeles NF Taj Mahal in Arcadia look to be safe, for now.
Nice shor, Ggnome!
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originalpmac
Mountain climber
Timbers of Fennario
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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^^^ Right on, Reilly.
I guess a thought about PG&E as to these recent fires: There were high winds in the forecast. Would it not be a good idea to shut down power preemptively? Everyone would complain I am sure, but on the other hand
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:40am PT
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Pmac, while quite the thread drift you might want to go to The Economist and search for their article on solar geo-magnetic storms’ effect on the power grid. We’re in the last two years of the current sunspot cycle and the threat is deemed serious enough that the Pentagon and Homeland Security are ‘gaming’ the civil unrest that could ensue.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Oct 18, 2017 - 09:46am PT
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Average price for underground is $10,000 per span. Spans average 20 per mile.
That's actually pretty low. For an average primary distribution line (12kV to 34kV or so) under ground lines run around $450k per mile here in AZ and it can go much higher.
Curt
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