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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 7, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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There was another post on this subject (RIP Net Neutrality), but this is a new ballgame.
"The most important FCC vote of our lifetime is about to happen."
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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In short: Let the FCC do its job. Right now the agency has no authority over the most important communications medium ever created.
And this is a bad thing?
You want every website to have to go through the licencing requirements and censorship that FCC imposes on everything else under their central control? They aren't selling this that way, but they'll have the authority. Since when has a Fed. Govt. agency underused it's authority?
FWIW The most important communication medium is speech - freedom of speech - however it gets around.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oops. I meant to say "And this is a good thing?"
Damn bad idea. Sorry. Misspoke.
My helo got shot down too.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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It's all Al Gore's fault.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2015 - 04:31pm PT
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Since when has a Fed. Govt. agency underused it's authority?
Oh yeah, let's let large cable companies determine the laws of the internet.
Great idea (not).
And OMG, as nature points out, Oliver hilariously nails it:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What's wrong with the internet?
Why does this need government attention?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Yeah right Chaz...Those internet monopolies wouldn't take advantage of its' subscribers and i think they shouldn't have competition...that goes against all the principals of a free market system...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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a free market system...
WTFIT?????
NO SUCH THING
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Don't worry, the FCC isn't going to take your porn away.
Uncalled for but typical from a certain type. Someone disagrees with y'all and the first thing is to sling mud. Am I a racist too? I don't know, that one just always seems to come up.
Go ahead, trust the FCC to solve your issues.
I used to work on air crash investigations. Specifically forensic audio from black boxes back when they were analog. The FAA and the NTSB have serious issues. I won't get into it here, not wise on my part. At a campfire someday? You bet.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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What does it mean to "underuse" authority? Why is that a requirement?
well, the seatbelt law started out as a 50 dollar fine. now it's a felony.
see any algorithm there?
what'ya work for the gov?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Sure thing - lets continue to let HughesNet, Wildblue and Exceed Satellite ISPs restrict monthly bandwidth to a few Amazon searches and a couple of emails while throttling any "high bandwidth" usage like Netflix or Youtube.
Verizon DSL - the Greyhound Bus of the Internet offering screaming downloads of a little as 200 K while charging you for a supposed 5 Meg. Waiting for their FIOS Fiber to the Home project - keep waiting - funding was killed in 2010 for that project. ATT - no difference - either you have pokey DSL or if you are lucky you have Uverse on fiber - but you pay out the azz for the privilege.
Cable Internet has the speeds - but also has the tendency to choke traffic to "competitors". Have Comcast, Charter or Cox for your ISP and then dare to use Directv for your TV and double dare to use Directv On Demand - count how many times you get "please wait while your video buffers". Hint - it ain't coming from the DTV servers in Phoenix bro.
What we have here is not a failure to communicate but rather a failure by the incumbent ISPs to build out either their last mile networks or their backhaul networks. If a couple of OC48s was good enough in 1999 - it should be good enough in 2015.
So hell yes - let the FCC light a fire under these cash cow as#@&%es and get them to either build up their Networks to the level of South Korea or f'ing Denmark - or get the f out of the way and let other enterprises take the helm.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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This is what I thought was the right thing to do about 10 years ago when I was presenting business strategies to telcos. I couldn't advocate that position as part of my job, but it's what I thought was the right thing to do. I'm pleasantly surprised that it's coming to fruition. And I hope it's not something that can withstand the inexorable encroachment of corporate political influence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/net-neutrality-fcc-vote_n_6761702.html
WASHINGTON -- The Federal Communications Commission voted Thursday to approve strong net neutrality rules in a stunning decision that defies vocal, months-long opposition by telecom and cable companies and Republicans on Capitol Hill.
Democratic Commissioners Jessica Rosenworcel and Mignon Clyburn joined Chairman Tom Wheeler to approve a rule that reclassifies consumer broadband as a utility under Title II of the Communications Act.
The FCC intends to use this new authority to ban "paid prioritization," a practice whereby Internet service providers can charge content producers a premium for giving users more reliable access to that content. The FCC also intends to ban blocking and throttling of lawful content and services. These regulations also apply to mobile access. More details about the plan are expected after vote.
"The Internet is simply too important to allow broadband providers to be the ones making the rules," Wheeler said prior to the vote.
At the vote, Clyburn pointed out that "absent the rules we adopt today," ISPs would be "free to block, throttle, favor or discriminate ... for any user, for any reason, or for no reason at all."
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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If those few monopolistic service providers can throttle (require customers to pay extra for higher speeds) - they control most of the information we consume and use, by definition. That includes news, search results, online education, personal communication, and business transactions. Essentially, it allows a few companies to manipulate the entire agenda, including the political one.
Leveling the speed playing field for everyone means those who want to catch up have a shot. The opposite means the poor will get poorer due to reduced access to the web where damn near everything happens these days.
The misinformation campaign about net neutrality - which is a VERY GOOD THING for free, socially responsible society - has apparently been successful. It's incredible to me that anyone is actually arguing against net neutrality.
Website licensing bottlenecks? Really? Do people these days actually know that little about how the internet works?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:52am PT
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Net neutrality is one of the most important issues of our generation. The providers of the infrastructure must be required to give equal access to all users and content providers within non artificial hardware limitations.
Millions of dollars are being spent by the providers to promote lies about the concept. You can see many of their successful paid for propaganda points right here on this thread
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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Net neutrality is one shining example of government taking on business for the public good. It should receive nothing but resounding applause.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 26, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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FWIW The most important communication medium is speech - freedom of speech - however it gets around.
Thank you, Kris, for being one of the few here that understand what's really at stake here.
Taking on the internet providers for the public good, Tvash? Really? What's going on is that the companies most politically and financially connected with this corrupt administration are getting what they paid for, at the expense of the public good. For shame!
John
Edit: Net neutrality is one of the most important issues of our generation. The providers of the infrastructure must be required to give equal access to all users and content providers within non artificial hardware limitations.
Why is that? Until today, it's been a free country. You don't like what the internet provider is doing, get a different one.
Iincidentally, if this rule is so wonderful, why hasn't the majority made it public before its vote and adoption? This is corrupt to the core.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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You'll probably need to walk us through that one, John.
Cuz it makes zero sense whatsoever at this point.
Cuz the FCC just voted to protect net neutrality.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:01am PT
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JL I already use access to 3 different ISPs because there are big differences in their service depending on what I wish to do and at what time. SOme of this is simply hardware related and unavoidable. Other is due to artificial restrictions and in my mind unacceptable and requiring of strict regulation to avoid.
We must force a level playing field for independent websites as much as reasonably possible
Are you against this JL?
JL DO you not see the threat to freedom of speech if corporations are able to reduce access to any website they wish?
The internet is the greatest bastion of free speech in the history of... History. Certainly since printing was invented.
It must be protected and all sites should be allowed unfettered fair access to the full power of the internet.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Feb 26, 2015 - 11:06am PT
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I really think JLz got this one bass ackwards. Please to google net neutrality now.
Or not, if its just another 'Obama is Bad' thing.
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